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[[User:SomeHuman|SomeHuman]] 2009-01-04 07:35 / 08:09 (GMT)
  
SomeHuman is testing templates:
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== Brussels ==
[[Home]] > List of rides
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Thanks for your concern about the [[Brussels]] pages. It's late, so I'm finding it difficult to work through all that you've written.<br?>
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I guess this entry should really be moved to [[Talk:Brussels]] when you've read it, and the weird redirect issue has been sorted out!<br/>
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[[User:Nsayers|Nsayers]] 22:30, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
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''Main part of above comment moved to the [[Talk:Brussels#Languages layout, and History|Brussels' discussion page]]'' — [[User:SomeHuman|SomeHuman]] 2010-03-02 23:43
  
Next main ride dates:
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== Multilingual solutions ==
  
* [[:Category:Southern hemisphere ride locations|Southern Hemisphere]]: '''Saturday 13 March 2010'''
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Hi SomeHuman. I'd like to work out a good way to handle the obvious need for multiple languages on the WNBR wiki. At the moment, the following solutions are being used, with the assumption that the main language is English:
* [[:Category:Northern hemisphere ride locations|Northern Hemisphere]]: '''Saturday 12 June 2010'''
 
  
Some rides are scheduled on different days, clustered around these main dates. Check the list below for links to individual city and country information pages. Most rides will go ahead rain or shine, but some cities have a backup date in case of bad weather.
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* Write the whole page in the non-English language (eg: [[Saint Petersburg]]) – drawback: no other language option/s
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* Add my 'Babelfish translation link' template to such pages – drawback: hacky, computer-generated translation not very good
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* Write the same page with multiple languages (eg: [[Brussels]]) – drawback: messy, cluttered pages with too much text for single-language readers
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* Write separate, translated page/s tagged with the language code (eg: [[Cardiff]]/[[Cy:Caerdydd]]) – drawback: finicky titling, not properly semantic within the wiki structure, difficult to maintain translations.
  
The following is a list of [http://www.worldnakedbikeride.org/ World Naked Bike Ride] (WNBR) upcoming events around the world.
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I've looked, briefly, at the following solution, which looks good:
  
You can also browse the list of rides in other formats:
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* http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Multilang
*'''[[:Category: Ride locations]]'''
 
*'''[http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=110776403463258949582.00044e01ceb53a09b60b0 Map of worldwide ride locations]''' (Google Maps)<!-- Shortcut: http://icanhaz.com/wnbr-locations-gmap -->. Key to [[Map of ride locations]] explains colour codes of ride status.
 
*'''[[Past events]]'''
 
*'''[[Previous rides data]]'''
 
  
For information on how to [[Joining a ride|join an existing event]], [[Organizing a ride|start a new one]] or how to [[Contact|contact]] ride organizers please refer to the [[Main Page|main page]].
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Got any thoughts on this? I'm tempted to install this extension and run with it. The current approaches we're using (and that you've recently applied to, eg, [[Paris]] and [[Lille]]) aren't really sustainable.
  
==List of World Naked Bike Rides==
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--[[User:Nsayers|Nsayers]] 23:50, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
  
===[[Argentina]]===
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:The principle is quite sound, Nick. There are however, at first sight, three catches:
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Buenos Aires]]: ?
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:*In January, my [[Template_talk:Stub#Multilingual version]] comment already mentioned that we do not seem to have decision making facilities on this wiki. That template's source contains inline-commented pseudo-code for the decision-making. The Mediawiki solution that you propose does basically what I explained. But it uses the language argument with the corresponding text, for several languages in a page, and lets user settings instead of a language argument ''decide'' what to show - a very interesting approach that might allow maintaining bi- and multilingual pages. For a template like 'Stub' with predefined text in a sufficient number of languages, no argument would be needed to show only one language. The Wikimedia solution must '''prerequisite''' (at least) basic programming facilities to allow its decision-making.
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:*One has no overview: To practically maintain pages in several languages, one must be able to ''see'' the different language versions at the same time. At least in theory, that problem could be solved by a user setting override that would tell the Wikimedia style template (as well as my style templates for specific purposes) to show all availabe languages instead of one. This might be extremely easy, or more tricky - I did not yet study the Wikimedia solution's source code.
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:*The Wikimedia solution shows it is a beta version, and it was last updated in 2006... I would think that if it had worked as intended, it would no longer be a beta. And neither its author nor anyone else seems interested or able to attend to whatever the problem(s) might be. It might be just a minor glitch that has little relevance on our simple wiki, but more serious consequences on larger scale complex wikis (e.g. incompatibility with other, often intricate, templates, or with other solutions for similar problems that are in use).
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:Anyway, this wiki desparately needs a ''decision-making facility''. Your 'Next ride' template for instance, needs to become multilingual to avoid page-by-page simulations of its output. One might have a single multilingual template for the 'standard' titles, which would appear to an editor like <nowiki>{{Title|Links|fr,en}}</nowiki> to show "Liens / Links", or elsewhere <nowiki>{{Title|History|nl}}</nowiki> to show "Historiek", on the pages.<br/>
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:In case user setting would become determining (with or without the Mediawiki solution code), if showing a single language suffices, even simpler <nowiki>{{Title|Links}}</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{Title|History}}</nowiki> would produce the titles in the reader's language, even if the rest of the page would be in another language (including with Wikimedia solution wherever the reader's language is unavailable). I assume people can accept that 'anomaly' pretty well.<br/>
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:[[User:SomeHuman|SomeHuman]] 2010-03-08 06:32-07:04
  
===[[Australia]]===
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== Site migration ==
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Adelaide]], SA: ? {{Previous|9 Mar 2009, 8 Mar 2008}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - New ride planned}} [[Ballarat]], VIC: 13 Mar 2010&nbsp;?
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Brisbane]], QLD: ? {{Previous|21 Mar 2009, 8 Mar 2008, 10 Mar 2007}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Broome]], WA: ?
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Byron Bay]], NSW: 7 Mar 2010 {{Previous|14 Mar 2009, 8 Mar 2008}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Cairns]], QLD: ?
 
*{{Ride status tab - New ride planned}} [[Canberra]], ACT: 13 Mar 2010&nbsp;? {{Previous|14 Mar 2009}} 
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Hobart]], TAS: ?
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Melbourne]], VIC: 21 Mar 2010 {{Previous|15 Mar 2009, 6 Jun 2008, 9 Mar 2008, 10 Mar 2007, 12 Mar 2006}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Newcastle]], NSW: 14 Mar 2010 {{Previous|14 Mar 2009, 9 Mar 2008, 10 Mar 2007, 12 Mar 2006, 13 Feb 2005}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Nimbin]], NSW: 6 Mar 2010 {{Previous|7 Mar 2009}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Perth]], WA: ?
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Sydney]], NSW: 13 Mar 2010 {{Previous|15 Mar 2009, 8 Mar 2008}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Tweed Heads]], NSW: ? {{Previous|12 Jun 2004}}
 
  
===[[Austria]]===
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Hi SomeHuman. I'm addressing this to you because you seem to be the only person updating regularly at present.
''(Österreich)''
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Graz]]: ? {{Previously suggested|26 Jun 2009}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Assumed to repeat}} [[Vienna]] ''(Wien)'': Jun 2010&nbsp;? {{Previous|19 Jun 2009, 20 Jun 2008, 15 Jun 2007, 22 Sep 2006}}
 
  
===[[Belgium]]===
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I've been asked by Conrad, who provides hosting for the websites, including the wiki, to help him move to a different host. Conrad's circumstances have changed and he's trying to cut costs.
''(België/Belgique/Belgien)''
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Brussels]] ''(Brussel/Bruxelles/Brüssel)'': Jun 2010 {{Previous|27 Jun 2009, 21 Jun 2008, 30 Jun 2007, 10 Jun 2006, 11 Jun 2005}}
 
  
===[[Brazil]]===
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I already made one attempt to migrate, closing updates to the wiki, and migrating the data. You probably noticed. But we hit a snag and I had to postpone and reopen the wiki.
''(Brasil)''
 
*{{Ride status tab - Assumed to repeat}} [[Brasília]]: 13 Mar 2010 {{Previous|14 Mar 2009}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[São Paulo]]: 13 Mar 2010 {{Previous|14 Mar 2009}}
 
  
=== [[Canada]] ===
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Problems have been resolved and I think we have good probability of success at a second attempt. I'd like to do it as soon as possible. It will mean the wiki is closed for updates for a period; hopefully less than 24 hours, but possibly longer.
  
*{{Ride status tab - Assumed to repeat}} [[Drumheller]], AB: Jun 2010&nbsp;? {{Previous|13 Jun 2009}}
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Just telling you for awareness. It would be good to get an acknowledgement that you are ok with this, but I will go ahead in the next couple of days and apologise for any inconvenience.
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Guelph]], ON: ? {{Previously planned|7 Jun 2008}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Halifax]], NS: ? {{Previously suggested|13 Jun 2009}} {{Previous|5 Jul 2008}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[London, ON]]: ? {{Previously suggested|9 Jun 2007}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Moncton]], NB: ? {{Previously suggested| 9 Jun 2007}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Montreal]], QC: Jun 2010&nbsp;? {{Previous|13 Jun 2009, 9 Jun 2007}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Nelson]], BC: ? {{Previously planned|7 Jun 2008 (cancelled)}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Ottawa]], ON: Jun 2010&nbsp;? {{Previous|13 Jun 2009, 7 Jun 2008, 9 Jun 2007, 10 Jun 2006, 11 Jun 2005}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Prince George, BC]]: ? {{Previously suggested| 9 Jun 2007}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Toronto]], ON: 12 Jun 2010 {{Previous|13 Jun 2009, 14 Jun 2008, 9 Jun 2007, 10 Jun 2006, 11 Jun 2005, 12 Jun 2004}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Vancouver]], BC: Jun 2010&nbsp;? {{Previous|13 Jun 2009, 23 Aug 2008, 29 Jul 2007&nbsp;?\<span style="display:none;"\> [9 Jun 2007 - poor weather]\</span\>, 10 Jun 2006, 11 Jun 2005, 12 Jun 2004, evolved from AAW/AFP rides}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Victoria]], BC: Jun 2010&nbsp;? {{Previous|13 Jun 2009, Jun 7 2008, 9 Jun 2007, 10 Jun 2006, 13 Jun 2005, 12 Jun 2004}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Winnipeg]], MB: ? {{Previous|13 Jun 2008}}
 
  
===[[Czech Republic]]===
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Best wishes
''(Česká Republika)''
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Rob
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Prague]] ''(Praha)'': ? {{Previous|10 Jun 2006}}
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--[[User:Robjordan|Robjordan]] ([[User talk:Robjordan|talk]]) 05:53, 22 April 2020 (PDT)
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:Thanks Rob, with a [[User_talk:Robjordan#Wiki_migration|reply and request]] on your talk page. —[[User:SomeHuman|SomeHuman]] ([[User talk:SomeHuman|talk]]) 02:41, 24 April 2020 (PDT)
  
===[[Denmark]]===
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== Extension and admin ==
''(Danmark)''
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Copenhagen]] ''(København)'': ? {{Previously planned|15 Aug 2009}} {{Previous|7 Jun 2008}}
 
  
===[[France]]===
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Hi, sorry it's taken me a long time to action this. Migration worked ok second time around, though we had some hours of downtime. I have enabled the ParserFuncions extension and made to and admin. Hope all is ok. Let me know if there are problems.
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Lille]]: ? {{Previous|/''Précédente manifestation'': 10 Jun 2006}}
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--[[User:Robjordan|Robjordan]] ([[User talk:Robjordan|talk]]) 14:29, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Nice]]: ? {{Previously planned|10 Jun 2006 (cancelled/''projet abandonné'')}}
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:Fine news, and all seems to be going very well. Really appreciating this. Still quite a bit of things to do ...<br />[[User:SomeHuman|SomeHuman]] ([[User talk:SomeHuman|talk]]) 14:55, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Paris]]: ? {{Previous|/''Précédente manifestations'': 7 Jun 2008, 9 Jun 2007}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Toulouse]]: ? {{Previously planned|10 Jun 2006 (cancelled/''projet abandonné'')}}
 
  
===[[Germany]]===
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== Infinite block ==
''(Deutschland)''
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After having been doing ''exactly'' what had been announced on:
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Berlin]]: ? {{Previous|9 Jun 2007, 11 Jun 2005}}
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# the <span class="plainlinks">[http://wiki.worldnakedbikeride.org/index.php?title=Template_talk:Google_translation_link&oldid=34107 discussion page]</span> of the template <span class="plainlinks">[http://wiki.worldnakedbikeride.org/index.php?title=Template:Google_translation_link&oldid=34369 Google translation link], and after having pointed to this on the [http://wiki.worldnakedbikeride.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Erik_Baas&oldid=33902#Translations discussion page] of the at the time [only] regularly active administrator, and allowing time for his reading, I started deploying that multilingual translation support.
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Bonn]]: ? {{Previous|4 Aug 2007, 22 Jul 2006, 18 Jun 2005}}
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# the <span class="plainlinks">[http://wiki.worldnakedbikeride.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Robjordan&oldid=34499#Wiki_migration discussion page]</span> of the 'sysop' who had been transferring the wiki to another server (see here above), at my asking for administrator rights. At this, I informed the 'sysop' of my unfortunate experience ten years earlier with the 'bureaucrat' who used to run the wiki (but apparently had been limiting his edits to a few English ride locations for the last 8 years). The aforementioned still active administrator (from the Netherlands), also with the higher 'bureaucrat' rights, had commented my request on that discussion page before I was indeed granted the extra rights. At this grant, the 'sysop' commented: ''"[http://wiki.worldnakedbikeride.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3ASomeHuman&year=2020&month=5&tagfilter=&subtype= Requested admin privileges as he is doing wide-ranging template changes.]"''
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Bremen]]: ? {{Previous|9 Jun 2007, 2005&nbsp;?}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Cologne/NRW]] ''(Köln/NRW)'': ? {{Previous|10 Jun 2006}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Dresden]]: ? {{Previous|9 Jun 2007, 10 Jun 2006, 2005&nbsp;?}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Frankfurt]] ''(Frankfurt am Main)'': ? {{Previous|7 Jun 2008, 9 Jun 2007, 10 Jun 2006, 2 Jul 2005}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Leipzig]]: ? {{Previously planned|13 Jun 2009}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Muenster]] ''(Münster)'', Westfalia: ? {{Previously planned|27 Jun/4 Jul 2009}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Munich]], ''(München)'': ? {{Previously suggested|13/14 Jun 2009}} {{Previous|21/22? Jun 2008, 9 Jun 2007, 1 Jul 2006, 18 Jun 2005}}
 
  
===[[Greece]]===
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After another month of (still unfinished) wide-ranging work in order to bring the wiki ''in line'' with its fundamental structural concept and declared purpose, without any warning whatsoever and without even ever having modified any one of my edits, the aforementioned English 'bureaucrat' Nsayers blocked me infinitely,
''(Ελλάδα)''
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<pre style="margin:-.5em 0 -.6em 0;padding:0;">
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Athens]] ''(Αθήνα)'': ? <!-- Added by User:Adonle, 9 Dec 2009 -->
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  Start of block: 2020-06-02T23:41:59
*{{Ride status tab - Assumed to repeat}} [[Thessaloniki]] ''(Θεσσαλονίκη)'': Jun 2010&nbsp;? {{Previous|4 Jun 2009, 27 Jun 2008}}
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  Expiration of block: infinite
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  Intended blockee: SomeHuman
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</pre>
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with only false accusations even stating that I had acted without consultation! I can't edit any normal page, not even my own presentation. He simply ''sabotaged'' the WNBR wiki because no-one will continue to bring the not yet modified parts in line with the large parts I already had taken care off, nor undo the latter (which surely would be a real shame anyway): Thus many confusing inconsistencies, anomalies and contradictory aspects that would have taken me relatively little more finalization work to fix, are doomed to be permanent.
  
===[[Ireland]]===
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Meanwhile, the 'sysop' emailed me: ''"In particular, [Nsayers] was aggravated by the way you updated the Brighton ride that he organises with an incorrect Covid status. I trust Nick's judgement in this matter."'' So far, Nsayers did not modify my very correct edit on the [[Brighton & Hove]] page, thus must have meant its line in the [[List of rides]]. All I ever did there, was modifying the ''colour'' of the word 'postponed' and (as at the time already by Nsayers explicitly confirmed on the B & H page) relating the postponement to the pandemic. I also had put 'TBC' out of the struck-through date:
''(Éire/Republic of Ireland)''
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* {{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Brighton & Hove]]: <strike>14 Jun 2020 TBC</strike> Postponed ''<span style="font-size:85%;color:#999;">[before Nsayers mentioned a 'plan' on the B & H page and still so when SomeHuman first edited the List of rides since '''2017'''!]</span>''
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Dublin]]
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* {{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Brighton & Hove]]: TBC {{Evading covid|14 Jun|Type=POSTPONED}} ''<span style="font-size:85%;color:#999;">[After SomeHuman's edits until he was blocked, it since the here above never having shown any other info]</span>''
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Changing this 'TBC' into the most appropriate term 'TBA' might have been best but it was impossible to misinterpret the information: One had to wait for a new ride date or other info there, anyway. Immediately after taking away my administrator rights at which it is ''absolutely impossible'' to overlook the sysop's grant comment, and minutes later nevertheless blocking me with ''"Nuisance edits: Over-complicating the wiki (esp templates), giving misleading information about Covid cancellations (UK rides), making fundamental wide-ranging changes without consultation."'', Nsayers put extra information on that List of rides' B & H line: a date at which one may ''expect to become informed of one or other 'plan''' <span style="font-size:85%;color:#999;">(instead of replacing 'TBC' with 'Plan to be announced 14 Jun 2020' also destroying the until then for the entire list consistent pandemic indication)</span>:
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* {{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Brighton & Hove]]: Covid-19 postponement plan to be announced 14 Jun 2020 ''<span style="font-size:85%;color:#999;">[right after having blocked SomeHuman; Nsayers' edit comment politely included: "(f’ed up by SomeHuman)"]</span>''
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He had put that in the B & H page long ago and had simply ''neglected'' to also put it on the List of rides. Neither the supervising Dutch bureaucrat then, nor I when I saw it on the B & H page much later on, had found it proper to 'correct' Nsayers, after all he once had pointed out that details about cancellations and so on belong in the ride location pages. But the afterwards so-called "misleading information" (not at all, merely incomplete for a detail), had been ''the sole choice of Nsayers himself''. He couldn't wait to indefinitely block ''me'' for his own neglect [http://wiki.worldnakedbikeride.org/index.php?title=Brighton_%26_Hove&type=revision&diff=33842&oldid=33830 <u>two months</u> earlier].
  
===[[Israel]]===
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No-one ever severely acting impulsively without checking the ostensible facts, or deliberately falsely accusing of not having consulted properly, or punishing for doing precisely what had been the very reason for having been granted ''extra'' rights, or out of the blue sky severely acting without any warning or other indication of scepticism, or such action with poor consequences for the thereby left-behind wiki state, is worthy of or can be trusted with 'bureaucrat' authority — as was implied in my further above linked discussion page request for administrator rights that ''predicted'' Nsayers' abominable abuse of power.
''(יִשְרָאֵל‎/إسرائيل‎)''
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Tel Aviv]] ''(Tel Aviv-Yafo/תֵּל־אָבִיב-יָפוֹ‎)'': ? {{Previously suggested|9 Jun 2007}}<!-- Couldn't find any reports of 2007 ride having happened -->
 
  
===[[Italy]]===
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I had learned ten years ago, the style of discussion by Nsayers: Anything complicated by him was ''evident'' even if just about every editor had proven incapable to understand and apply whatever Nsayers might have intended, with a wide-spread range of numerous inconsistencies and blunt errors as result; and anything else, especially for accessibility by speakers of a native language other than English, was ''over-complicating'', ''cluttering'' and ''confounding''. His nicely suggested 'solution' [[#Multilingual solutions|higher on this talk page]] was in fact a smart attempt to keep me busy out of the way until I would give up, but failed. Nsayers knows my argumentations to be sound, so he vindictively blocks me without private or public discussion and concerts with individual administrators whom he knows he can manipulate or bully. Any reasonable person must see that before banning a conscientious, careful and capable editor, one should first ''ask'' to limit edits within certain boundaries. Not having done so and having left the wiki doomed in a random state, is ruthlessly tyrannical, dishonouring the wiki, and not helpful for the WNBR.
''(Italia)''
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Milan]] ''(Milano)'': ? {{Previous|9 Jun 2007, 10 Jun 2006, 11 Jun 2005, 12 Jun 2004}}
 
  
===[[Japan]]===
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As I was ''the only'' active editor of the 'Brussels' pages, the block also comes to excluding Belgium and such merely 18 days before its still announced ''(at present already lapsed)'' ride date and thus while an urgent corona postponement update ''had'' to be expected. It was in fact by failing to be able to save an update, that I discovered my being blocked. Apparently, now Amsterdam is the only non English speaking ride location that is still being properly maintained on what was supposed to be a '''''World''' Naked Bike Ride'' wiki.
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Tokyo]]: ? {{Previously suggested|7 Jun 2008}}
 
  
===[[Latvia]]===
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I do not intend to discuss the matter here: '''''far''''' too late for that.<br />[[User:SomeHuman|SomeHuman]] ([[User talk:SomeHuman|talk]]) 17:07, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
''(Latvija)''
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Riga]] ''(Ri-ga)'': ? {{Previous|''unconfirmed:'' 9 Jun 2007, ''unconfirmed:'' 10 Jun 2006}}
 
 
 
===[[Mexico]]===
 
''(México)''
 
*{{Ride status tab - Assumed to repeat}} [[Mexico City]] ''(Ciudad de México)'': Jun 2010&nbsp;? {{Previous|13 Jun 2009, 7 Jun 2008, 9 Jun 2007, 10 Jun 2006}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Guadalajara]]: ? {{Previously suggested|6 Jun 2009}}
 
 
 
===[[Netherlands]]===
 
''(Nederland)''
 
<!-- I vaguely remember hearing that the ride location in the Netherlands changes each year, hence long gaps since last ride date for each city - User:Nsayers -->
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Apeldoorn]]: ? {{Previous|12 Jun 2004}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Amsterdam]]: Jun 2010&nbsp;? {{Previous|6 Jun 2009, 11 Jun 2005}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Arnhem]]: ? {{Previous|10 Jun 2006}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Nijmegen]]: ? {{Previous|9 Jun 2007}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Utrecht]]: ? {{Previous|7 Jun 2008}}
 
 
 
===[[New Zealand]]===
 
''(Aotearoa)''
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Auckland]] ''(Tamaaki Makaurau)'': ? {{Previous|13 Feb 2005}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Golden Bay]]: 13 Mar 2010 {{Previous|14 Mar 2009, 8 Mar 2008, 10 Mar 2007, 12 Mar 2006, 13 Feb 2005, 12 Jun 2004}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Lake Tekapo]]: ? {{Previous|12 Mar 2006, 13 Feb 2005}}
 
 
 
===[[Peru]]===
 
''(Perú/Piruw)''
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Lima]]: 13 Mar 2010 {{Previous|14 Mar 2009,  8 Mar 2008, 10 Mar 2007, 10 Jun 2006}}
 
 
 
===[[Poland]]===
 
''(Polska)''
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Krakow]] ''(Cracow/Kraków)'': ? {{Previously suggested|13 Jun 2007}}
 
 
 
===[[Russia]]===
 
''(Россия/Rossiya/Rossija)''
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Moscow]] ''(Москва/Moskva)'': ? {{Previously suggested|9 Jun 2007}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Saint Petersburg]] ''(Санкт-Петербург/Sankt-Peterburg)'': ? {{Previously suggested|9 Jun 2007}} {{Previous|10 Jun 2006, 12 Jun 2004}}
 
 
 
===[[South Africa]]===
 
''(Suid Afrika)''
 
<!-- *{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Pretoria]] ? (Previous ''unofficial'' ride: 12 Mar 2006) -->
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Cape Town]] ? {{Previous|''apparently banned'':9 Jun 2007}}
 
 
 
===[[Spain]]===
 
''(España/Espanya/Espainiako Erresuma/Espanha)''
 
 
 
''These rides are organized by [http://www.ciclonudista.net Manifestación Ciclonudista]''
 
 
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[A Coruña]], Galicia: Jun 2010&nbsp;? {{Previous|13 Jun 2009, 7 Jun 2008, 9 Jun 2007}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Alicante]], Valencia: ? {{Previous|9 Jun 2007, 10 Jun 2006}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Barcelona]], Catalonia: Jun 2010&nbsp;? {{Previous|13 Jun 2009, 7 Jun 2008, 9 Jun 2007, 10 Jun 2006, 11 Jun 2005, 19 Jun 2004}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Assumed to repeat}} [[Córdoba]], Andalusia: Jun 2010&nbsp;? {{Previous|13 Jun 2009, 7 Jun 2008}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Cuenca]], Castilla-La Mancha: ? (Previous ride mooted but unconfirmed: 7 Jun 2008)
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Granada]], Andalucía: ? {{Previous|9 Jun 2007}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Huesca]], Aragón: ? {{Previous|9 Jun 2007, 10 Jun 2006, 11 Jun 2005}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Madrid]],  New Castile: Jun 2010&nbsp;? {{Previous|13 Jun 2009, 7 Jun 2008, 9 Jun 2007, 10 Jun 2006, 11 Jun 2005, 19 Jun 2004}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Assumed to repeat}} [[Murcia]], Murcia: Jun 2010&nbsp;? {{Previous|13 Jun 2009, 7 Jun 2008, 9 Jun 2007}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Pamplona]], Navarre: ? {{Previous|9 Jun 2007, 10 Jun 2006, 11 Jun 2005, 19 Jun 2004}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Santander]], Cantabria: ? {{Previous|9 Jun 2007}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Valencia]], Valencia: ? {{Previous|7 Jun 2008, 9 Jun 2007, 10 Jun 2006}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Valladolid]], Castilla y León: Jun 2010&nbsp;? {{Previous|13 Jun 2009, 7 Jun 2008, 9 Jun 2007}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Zaragoza]], Aragón: Jun 2010&nbsp;? {{Previous|13 Jun 2009, 7 Jun 2008, 9 Jun 2007, 10 Jun 2006, 11 Jun 2005, 19 Jun 2004, 12 Jun 2003, 15 Jun 2002, 14 Jun 2001}}
 
 
 
===[[Sweden]]===
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Stockholm]]: ?
 
 
 
===[[Switzerland]]===
 
''(Schweiz/Suisse/Svizzera/Svizra)''
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} Location TBC: ?
 
 
 
===<span id="UK">[[United Kingdom]]</span>===
 
''(Teyrnas Unedig)''
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Bath]]: ? {{Previous|11 Jun 2005}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Bournemouth]]: ? {{Previous|''rumoured:'' 14 Jun 2008}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Brighton & Hove]]: 13 Jun 2010 TBC {{Previous|14 Jun 2009, 14 Mar 2009, 7 Jun 2008, 9 Jun 2007, 10 Jun 2006}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Bristol]]: ? {{Previous|14 Oct 2006}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Assumed to repeat}} [[Cardiff]] ''(Caerdydd)'': Jun 2010&nbsp;? {{Previous|13 Jun 2009, 14 Jun 2008}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Edinburgh]]: ? {{Previous|29 Jun 2008, 12 Jun 2004}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Exeter]]: ? {{Previous|''rumoured:'' 13 Jun 2009}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Leeds]]: ? {{Previously suggested|"Summer 2008 or 2009"}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[London]]: Jun 2010 {{Previous|13 Jun 2009, 14 Jun 2008, 9 Jun 2007, 10 Jun 2006, 11 Jun 2005, 12 Jun 2004}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Manchester]]: Jun 2010 {{Previous|12 Jun 2009, 13 Jun 2008, 8 Jun 2007, 9 Jun 2006}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Oxford]]: TBA (enthusiasm is high ???<!-- When was enthusiasm shown, for which year's ride -->)
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}}  [[Sheffield]]: Jun 2010 {{Previous|13 Jun 2009, 8 Jun 2008}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Southampton]]: Jun 2010 {{Previous|12 Jun 2009, 6 Jun 2008, 8 Jun 2007}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[York]]: Jun 2010 {{Previous|12 Jun 2009, 7 Jun 2008, 8 Jun 2007, 9 Jun 2006}}
 
 
 
Other potential UK ride locations: [[Belfast]], [[Cambridge]], [[Totnes]]
 
 
 
===<span id="US">[[United States]]</span>===
 
''(Estados Unidos)''
 
*{{Ride status tab - New ride planned}} [[Albany]], NY: 12 Jun 2010
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Ann Arbor]], MI: ?
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Asheville]], NC: ? {{Previously suggested|14 Jun 2008}} {{Previous|9 Jun 2007, 11 Jun 2005, 12 Jun 2004}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Atlanta]], GA: ?
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Austin]], TX: ? {{Previously suggested|30 Jun 2007}} {{Previous|10 Jun 2006, 11 Jun 2005, 12 Jun 2004}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Bellingham]], WA: ? {{Previous|19 Jun 2004}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Black Rock City]], NV ([http://burningman.com/ Burning Man]): Aug/Sep 2010&nbsp;? {{Previous|2 Sep 2009, 28 Aug 2008, 29 Aug 2007, 30 Aug 2006, 31 Aug 2005, 1 Sep 2004}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Berkeley]], CA: ? {{Previously planned|20 Jun 2009}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Boston]], MA: ?
 
*{{Ride status tab - Assumed to repeat}} [[Boulder]], CO: Jun 2010&nbsp;? {{Previous|13 Jun 2009, 14 Jun 2008, 16 Jun 2007, 17 Jun 2006, 11 Jun 2005, 12 Jun 2004}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Burlington]], VT: ? {{Previous rides:13 Jun 2009&nbsp;?<sup style="color:#888;">[1]</sup>, 7 Jun 2008, 9 Jun 2007, 10 Jun 2006, 11 Jun 2005}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[College Station]], TX: ? {{Previously planned|13 Jun 2009}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Chicago]], IL: 12 Jun 2010 {{Previous|13 Jun 2009, 14 Jun 2008, 9 Jun 2007, 10 Jun 2006, 11 Jun 2005, 12 Jun 2004}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Columbus]], OH: ?
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Crossville]], AL: ?
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Detroit]], MI: ?
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Denver]], CO: ? {{Previous|11 Jul 2009&nbsp;?<sup style="color:#888;">[1]</sup>, 12 Jul 2008, 9 Jun 2007}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Assumed to repeat}} [[Eugene]], OR: ? {{Previous|6 Jun 2009&nbsp;?<sup style="color:#888;">[1]</sup>, 14 Mar 2009, 31 Oct 2008, 7 Jun 2008, 9 Mar 2008}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Grand Rapids]], MI: ? {{Previously planned|20 Jun 2009}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Ithaca]], NY: ? {{Previous|2005}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Knoxville]], TN: ? {{Previously suggested|10 Jun 2006}} {{Previous|11 Jun 2005}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Los Angeles]], CA: ? {{Previously suggested|13 Jun 2009}} {{Previous|12 Jul 2008, 12 Jun 2004}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - New ride planned}} [[Madison]], WI: 19 Jun 2010
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Miami]], FL: ? {{Previous|10 Jun 2006}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Montclair]], NJ: ? {{Previous|9 Jun 2007}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}}  [[Montpelier]], VT: 2010 {{Previous|13 Jun 2009, 7 Jun 2008, 9 Jun 2007}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[New Haven]], CT: ?
 
*{{Ride status tab - Assumed to repeat}} [[New Orleans]], LA: 2010 {{Previous|13 Jun 2009}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[New York City]], NY: ? {{Previously planned| 13 Jun 2009}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Northampton]], MA: ? {{Previously planned|2009&nbsp;?}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[North Conway]], NH: ? {{Previous|11 Jun 2005}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Ojai]], CA: ? {{Previous|4 Jul 2009}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Olympia]], WA: ? {{Previous|12 Jun 2004}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Palm Coast]], FL: ''see also [[Florida]]''
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Palm Springs]], CA: ?
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Pensacola]], FL: ''see also [[Florida]]''
 
*{{Ride status tab - Assumed to repeat}} [[Philadelphia]], PA: 2010&nbsp;? {{Previous|6 Sep 2009}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Phoenix]], AZ: ? {{Previously planned|Jul 2009}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Portland]], OR: 12 Jun 2010 {{Previous|13 Jun 2009, 14 Jun 2008, 9 Jun 2007, 10 Jun 2006, 11 Jun 2005, 12 Jun 2004}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Prince George County, VA]]: ? {{Previously planned|22 Jun 2008}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Saint Louis]], MO: ? {{Previous|15 Aug 2009&nbsp;?<sup style="color:#888;">[1]</sup>, 2 Aug 2008}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Saint Petersburg, FL]]: ? {{Previously planned|Summer 2008}} {{Previous|10 Jun 2006, 12 Mar 2006, 13 Feb 2005}} ''see also [[Florida]]''
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Salt Lake City]], UT: ? {{Previously suggested|13 Jun 2008}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - New ride planned}} [[San Diego]], CA : 12 Jun 2010
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[San Francisco]], CA: 2010&nbsp;? {{Previous|13 Jun 2009, 7 Jun 2008, 2007, 10 Jun 2006, 2005, 2004}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Santa Cruz]], CA: ?
 
*{{Ride status tab - Committed to ride}} [[Seattle]], WA:  2010 {{Previous|27 Sep 2009, 25 Sep 2009, 22 Sep 2009, 13 Sep 2009, 29 Aug 2009, 28 Aug 2009, 16 Aug 2009, 8 Aug 2009, 31 Jul 2009, 24 Jul 2009, 11 Jul 2009, 26 Jun 2009, 6 Sep 2008, 17 Aug 2008, 12 Jul 2008, 11 Aug 2007, 14 Jul 2007, 30 Jun 2007, 10 Jun 2006, 24 Sep 2005, 11 Jun 2005, 12 Jun 2004}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Tampa Bay]], FL – ''see also [[Florida]]'': ? {{Previous|12 Mar 2006}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Telluride]], CO: ?
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Tucson]], AZ: ? {{Previously suggested|7 Jun 2008}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Tulsa]], OK: ? {{Previously planned|13 Jun 2009}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Washington, DC]]: ? {{Previous|13 Jun 2009&nbsp;?<sup style="color:#888;">[1]</sup>, 10 Jun 2008, 9 Jun 2007, 11 Jun 2006}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Twin Cities/Minneapolis and Saint Paul]], MN: ? {{Previously suggested|10 Jun 2006}}
 
*{{Ride status tab - Kickstart this ride}} [[Williston]], ND: ? {{Previously planned|13 Jun 2009}}
 
 
 
<sup style="color:#888;">[1]</sup> <span style="font-size:85%;">''This ride was commited to occur, but this list's editors have no confirmation of its actual happening.''<!-- In Dec 2009 status still 'Committed to ride' -->
 
 
 
==External links: other lists of rides==
 
===WNBR affiliated sites===
 
<!--only list sites that have lsts of rides here. General links should go on the Links page.-->
 
*[http://www.ciclonudista.net/ Manifestación Ciclonudista] (Spain)
 
*[http://www.inventati.org/criticalmass/ciclonudista/ Critical Mass Ciclonudista] (Italy)
 
*[http://www.cyclonudiste.fr/ Manifestation internationale cyclo-nudiste] (Paris/France)
 
*[http://www.worldnakedbikeride.org/ World Naked Bike Ride] official global site
 
 
 
===Critical Mass rides===
 
<!--only list sites that have lsts of rides here. General links should go on the Links page.-->
 
*[http://critical-mass.info/ Critical-Mass.info]
 
*[http://criticalmass.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Critical_Mass_rides Critical Mass Wikia project: List of Critical Mass rides]
 
 
 
[[removed|.]] <!--Semi-hidden link to removed rides page.-->
 
 
 
[[User:SomeHuman|SomeHuman]] 2010-01-04 23:33 (GMT)
 

Latest revision as of 17:07, 21 June 2020

Notes on List of rides page

Moved to the page's Discussion page, as the discussion is in particular relevant for that single page and may concern its other editors and readers as well.
SomeHuman 2009-01-04 07:35 / 08:09 (GMT)

Brussels

Thanks for your concern about the Brussels pages. It's late, so I'm finding it difficult to work through all that you've written.<br?> I guess this entry should really be moved to Talk:Brussels when you've read it, and the weird redirect issue has been sorted out!
Nsayers 22:30, 2 March 2010 (UTC) Main part of above comment moved to the Brussels' discussion pageSomeHuman 2010-03-02 23:43

Multilingual solutions

Hi SomeHuman. I'd like to work out a good way to handle the obvious need for multiple languages on the WNBR wiki. At the moment, the following solutions are being used, with the assumption that the main language is English:

  • Write the whole page in the non-English language (eg: Saint Petersburg) – drawback: no other language option/s
  • Add my 'Babelfish translation link' template to such pages – drawback: hacky, computer-generated translation not very good
  • Write the same page with multiple languages (eg: Brussels) – drawback: messy, cluttered pages with too much text for single-language readers
  • Write separate, translated page/s tagged with the language code (eg: Cardiff/Cy:Caerdydd) – drawback: finicky titling, not properly semantic within the wiki structure, difficult to maintain translations.

I've looked, briefly, at the following solution, which looks good:

Got any thoughts on this? I'm tempted to install this extension and run with it. The current approaches we're using (and that you've recently applied to, eg, Paris and Lille) aren't really sustainable.

--Nsayers 23:50, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

The principle is quite sound, Nick. There are however, at first sight, three catches:
  • In January, my Template_talk:Stub#Multilingual version comment already mentioned that we do not seem to have decision making facilities on this wiki. That template's source contains inline-commented pseudo-code for the decision-making. The Mediawiki solution that you propose does basically what I explained. But it uses the language argument with the corresponding text, for several languages in a page, and lets user settings instead of a language argument decide what to show - a very interesting approach that might allow maintaining bi- and multilingual pages. For a template like 'Stub' with predefined text in a sufficient number of languages, no argument would be needed to show only one language. The Wikimedia solution must prerequisite (at least) basic programming facilities to allow its decision-making.
  • One has no overview: To practically maintain pages in several languages, one must be able to see the different language versions at the same time. At least in theory, that problem could be solved by a user setting override that would tell the Wikimedia style template (as well as my style templates for specific purposes) to show all availabe languages instead of one. This might be extremely easy, or more tricky - I did not yet study the Wikimedia solution's source code.
  • The Wikimedia solution shows it is a beta version, and it was last updated in 2006... I would think that if it had worked as intended, it would no longer be a beta. And neither its author nor anyone else seems interested or able to attend to whatever the problem(s) might be. It might be just a minor glitch that has little relevance on our simple wiki, but more serious consequences on larger scale complex wikis (e.g. incompatibility with other, often intricate, templates, or with other solutions for similar problems that are in use).
Anyway, this wiki desparately needs a decision-making facility. Your 'Next ride' template for instance, needs to become multilingual to avoid page-by-page simulations of its output. One might have a single multilingual template for the 'standard' titles, which would appear to an editor like {{Title|Links|fr,en}} to show "Liens / Links", or elsewhere {{Title|History|nl}} to show "Historiek", on the pages.
In case user setting would become determining (with or without the Mediawiki solution code), if showing a single language suffices, even simpler {{Title|Links}} and {{Title|History}} would produce the titles in the reader's language, even if the rest of the page would be in another language (including with Wikimedia solution wherever the reader's language is unavailable). I assume people can accept that 'anomaly' pretty well.
SomeHuman 2010-03-08 06:32-07:04

Site migration

Hi SomeHuman. I'm addressing this to you because you seem to be the only person updating regularly at present.

I've been asked by Conrad, who provides hosting for the websites, including the wiki, to help him move to a different host. Conrad's circumstances have changed and he's trying to cut costs.

I already made one attempt to migrate, closing updates to the wiki, and migrating the data. You probably noticed. But we hit a snag and I had to postpone and reopen the wiki.

Problems have been resolved and I think we have good probability of success at a second attempt. I'd like to do it as soon as possible. It will mean the wiki is closed for updates for a period; hopefully less than 24 hours, but possibly longer.

Just telling you for awareness. It would be good to get an acknowledgement that you are ok with this, but I will go ahead in the next couple of days and apologise for any inconvenience.

Best wishes Rob --Robjordan (talk) 05:53, 22 April 2020 (PDT)

Thanks Rob, with a reply and request on your talk page. —SomeHuman (talk) 02:41, 24 April 2020 (PDT)

Extension and admin

Hi, sorry it's taken me a long time to action this. Migration worked ok second time around, though we had some hours of downtime. I have enabled the ParserFuncions extension and made to and admin. Hope all is ok. Let me know if there are problems. --Robjordan (talk) 14:29, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Fine news, and all seems to be going very well. Really appreciating this. Still quite a bit of things to do ...
SomeHuman (talk) 14:55, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Infinite block

After having been doing exactly what had been announced on:

  1. the discussion page of the template Google translation link, and after having pointed to this on the discussion page of the at the time [only] regularly active administrator, and allowing time for his reading, I started deploying that multilingual translation support.
  2. the discussion page of the 'sysop' who had been transferring the wiki to another server (see here above), at my asking for administrator rights. At this, I informed the 'sysop' of my unfortunate experience ten years earlier with the 'bureaucrat' who used to run the wiki (but apparently had been limiting his edits to a few English ride locations for the last 8 years). The aforementioned still active administrator (from the Netherlands), also with the higher 'bureaucrat' rights, had commented my request on that discussion page before I was indeed granted the extra rights. At this grant, the 'sysop' commented: "Requested admin privileges as he is doing wide-ranging template changes."

After another month of (still unfinished) wide-ranging work in order to bring the wiki in line with its fundamental structural concept and declared purpose, without any warning whatsoever and without even ever having modified any one of my edits, the aforementioned English 'bureaucrat' Nsayers blocked me infinitely,

  Start of block: 2020-06-02T23:41:59
  Expiration of block: infinite
  Intended blockee: SomeHuman

with only false accusations even stating that I had acted without consultation! I can't edit any normal page, not even my own presentation. He simply sabotaged the WNBR wiki because no-one will continue to bring the not yet modified parts in line with the large parts I already had taken care off, nor undo the latter (which surely would be a real shame anyway): Thus many confusing inconsistencies, anomalies and contradictory aspects that would have taken me relatively little more finalization work to fix, are doomed to be permanent.

Meanwhile, the 'sysop' emailed me: "In particular, [Nsayers] was aggravated by the way you updated the Brighton ride that he organises with an incorrect Covid status. I trust Nick's judgement in this matter." So far, Nsayers did not modify my very correct edit on the Brighton & Hove page, thus must have meant its line in the List of rides. All I ever did there, was modifying the colour of the word 'postponed' and (as at the time already by Nsayers explicitly confirmed on the B & H page) relating the postponement to the pandemic. I also had put 'TBC' out of the struck-through date:

  • Committed to ride Brighton & Hove: 14 Jun 2020 TBC Postponed [before Nsayers mentioned a 'plan' on the B & H page and still so when SomeHuman first edited the List of rides since 2017!]
  • Committed to ride Brighton & Hove: TBC 14 Jun 2020POSTPONED Corona [After SomeHuman's edits until he was blocked, it since the here above never having shown any other info]

Changing this 'TBC' into the most appropriate term 'TBA' might have been best but it was impossible to misinterpret the information: One had to wait for a new ride date or other info there, anyway. Immediately after taking away my administrator rights at which it is absolutely impossible to overlook the sysop's grant comment, and minutes later nevertheless blocking me with "Nuisance edits: Over-complicating the wiki (esp templates), giving misleading information about Covid cancellations (UK rides), making fundamental wide-ranging changes without consultation.", Nsayers put extra information on that List of rides' B & H line: a date at which one may expect to become informed of one or other 'plan' (instead of replacing 'TBC' with 'Plan to be announced 14 Jun 2020' also destroying the until then for the entire list consistent pandemic indication):

  • Committed to ride Brighton & Hove: Covid-19 postponement plan to be announced 14 Jun 2020 [right after having blocked SomeHuman; Nsayers' edit comment politely included: "(f’ed up by SomeHuman)"]

He had put that in the B & H page long ago and had simply neglected to also put it on the List of rides. Neither the supervising Dutch bureaucrat then, nor I when I saw it on the B & H page much later on, had found it proper to 'correct' Nsayers, after all he once had pointed out that details about cancellations and so on belong in the ride location pages. But the afterwards so-called "misleading information" (not at all, merely incomplete for a detail), had been the sole choice of Nsayers himself. He couldn't wait to indefinitely block me for his own neglect two months earlier.

No-one ever severely acting impulsively without checking the ostensible facts, or deliberately falsely accusing of not having consulted properly, or punishing for doing precisely what had been the very reason for having been granted extra rights, or out of the blue sky severely acting without any warning or other indication of scepticism, or such action with poor consequences for the thereby left-behind wiki state, is worthy of or can be trusted with 'bureaucrat' authority — as was implied in my further above linked discussion page request for administrator rights that predicted Nsayers' abominable abuse of power.

I had learned ten years ago, the style of discussion by Nsayers: Anything complicated by him was evident even if just about every editor had proven incapable to understand and apply whatever Nsayers might have intended, with a wide-spread range of numerous inconsistencies and blunt errors as result; and anything else, especially for accessibility by speakers of a native language other than English, was over-complicating, cluttering and confounding. His nicely suggested 'solution' higher on this talk page was in fact a smart attempt to keep me busy out of the way until I would give up, but failed. Nsayers knows my argumentations to be sound, so he vindictively blocks me without private or public discussion and concerts with individual administrators whom he knows he can manipulate or bully. Any reasonable person must see that before banning a conscientious, careful and capable editor, one should first ask to limit edits within certain boundaries. Not having done so and having left the wiki doomed in a random state, is ruthlessly tyrannical, dishonouring the wiki, and not helpful for the WNBR.

As I was the only active editor of the 'Brussels' pages, the block also comes to excluding Belgium and such merely 18 days before its still announced (at present already lapsed) ride date and thus while an urgent corona postponement update had to be expected. It was in fact by failing to be able to save an update, that I discovered my being blocked. Apparently, now Amsterdam is the only non English speaking ride location that is still being properly maintained on what was supposed to be a World Naked Bike Ride wiki.

I do not intend to discuss the matter here: far too late for that.
SomeHuman (talk) 17:07, 21 June 2020 (UTC)