User talk:Nsayers

Amsterdam or Utrecht in 2009

I saw that you changed Utrecht to "assumed to repeat" in 2009. Why? And why did you do so without contacting the Dutch organiser of 2008 (me)?

Shortly after the 2008 ride in Utrecht I already changed Amsterdam to "assumed to ride" with the new date, 6 june 2009. Originally we had planned the 2008 WNBR in Amsterdam and I had already made some preparations (route etc.) and some publicity, but because of the main manifestation of the action for a good climate-protection law at the same day in Utrecht, we moved to Utrecht. I think there will be no serious dispute that the Dutch WNBR 2009 will be in Amsterdam -if so, things may change and that is the reason that I did not put "committed to ride" at that place- and while in Utrecht only a small group (between 25 and 30 paricipaters) turned up from all over the Netherlands, there is no use in organizing 2 WNBR's in the Netherlands, especially not in two locations so near to each other. – Ernic 19:27, 7 August 2008

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware of the full history of the rides in Amsterdam and Utrecht, and thanks for putting it right again. I was confused because the Utrecht ride seemed to have been a success so I presumed it would happen again there in 2009. I take your point about not consulting you about this, but I haven't got the time to consult other users over every change I make. The majority of users are inactive or don't respond on their Talk pages, and I don't have other organisers' email addresses. – Nsayers 02:24, 8 August 2008 (PDT)

There is only one Newcastle in the WNBR

Please desist from making uninvited changes to the Wiki Newcastle page. Marte 17:54, 7 Jul 2006

It's a wiki. People make changes, uninvited. That's how it works. I added a disambiguation page to save future confusion between the two large cities on Earth that are called Newcastle. --Nsayers 11:04, 7 Jul 2006 (PDT)

Thanks for contributing

Nsayers,

Thank you for your contributions to WNBR Wiki. Your work has been invaluable to the success of this ride internationally. Have a good day. D 11:06, 15 Mar 2006 (PST)

Use of your planning notes

Nsayers, can we use your planning notes as a template for other cities to use as well? They are very well written. Thank you for your consideration. D 13:29, 20 Mar 2006 (PST)

No worries. Go for it! It's a wiki, after all. ;-) Nsayers 13:44, 20 Mar 2006 (PST)

Pretoria

Hi Nick, Pretoria was not a WNBR event, it was not on public lands. I had a discussion about this with the ride organizors, but there don't want to adhere to WNBR policy. I'm removing the link from the list of rides. Cheers, D 10:50, 27 Mar 2006 (PST)

Request for involvement in Wikipedia naming convention dispute

Hi, I'd like to invite you to get involved in establishing consensus in discussions concerning naming conventions for social nudity topics.

Please join in this community discussion regarding the name of Wikipedia:Portal:Clothes free.

Participate here: Wikipedia:Portal_talk:Clothes_free#Votes

Please also join in the discussion about what to name an article dealing with Wikipedia:social nudity. I believe the the latter term is a better term to use than naturism or nudism as it is more Wikipedia:WP:NPOV and is in use currently. Formerly the article was titled Wikipedia:Clothes free movement.

Participate here: Wikipedia:Talk:Naturism#Move_to_Social_nudity

Cheers,

D 13:27, 15 Apr 2006 (PDT)

Wow! Amazing Work!

Thank you so much for all your thousands of edits on WNBR Wiki. You are totally amazing. D 19:18, 25 Apr 2006 (PDT)

Thanks again!

Thanks again for all of your recent work on this wiki. Its hard to even keep track of it all. Your work is invaluable. Cheers, D 11:41, 8 Jul 2006 (PDT)

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Thank-you not

Please do not edit my comments left on a discussion page. It is disrespectful to place words into someone's quote. I realize you only wished to make the links work in the single-minded way you desired. I will not get into a editing war with you. You deleted a page I took time to build, and you replaced all the links to it. In doing so, you made the Saint Louis entry something many people can no longer view from their work place (NSFW). Of course, to you, your way is best, and I see no point in changing it back just to have you change it again. Thank for for doing this without a single discussion about why someone might have wanted to do what they did. It is better to just change and quote the almighty wiki adage of not submitting things you do not want edited mercilessly. Respect is something that sane people never seek to find. I doubt I will add more photos with this as the status quo. --Photo212grapher 15:42, 3 August 2008 (PDT)

Sorry to have caused offence, and thanks for adding your photos to the wiki in an attractive and well-categorised manner. I was just house cleaning and amalgamating surplus content. Having unnecessary sub-pages for rides increases the amount of maintenance work, especially as there are only about three of us who actively work on the wiki. It's probably better to post photos of the ride to our Flickr group where they can be more easily grouped and tracked. The ones you've posted aren't particularly NSFW, imho! Feel free to continue this discussion off-wiki: mail A T nicksayers D 0 T com --Nsayers 04:05, 4 August 2008 (PDT)

Hopefully I've just made a change that you'll be happy with. I've set up a proper Saint Louis photos page from the 2008 one you created. Let me know if this is alright. --Nsayers 04:18, 4 August 2008 (PDT)

You must work at a different place than 99% of the rest of the workforce. A visible penis is going to be NSFW everywhere I know, and the painted breasts are likely to be NSFW in half of the workplaces. I feel discussions are the true spirit of Wiki, and you did offend me off by not have one. Unilateral changes are within policy, but then again walking up to strangers on the street and saying, "I don't like your hairdo" is within your rights, too. Neither are consider polite.

The Wiki from where I admin, we tend to do things different. We would leave the users' named pages as is, and place a #REDIRECT under the "proper" page. Our policy is to edit as little as possible. The less we are seen, the more it is the user's wiki. --Photo212grapher 05:54, 4 August 2008 (PDT)

Oops, yes, I forgot about that photo with the naked breasts and penis! Luckily I work from home so don't have much of a NSFW problem, but I do take your point. Given your comments, I'll try to consult about changes I make in future but I often don't have the time. I just try and maintain naming conventions, page consistency etc across the wiki, which is why I moved your page. Out of interest, what is the other wiki you admin for? – Nsayers 02:32, 8 August 2008 (PDT)

Spam

Please delete Image:Milanoo Banners.jpg. - Erik Baas 03:26, 16 June 2009 (PDT)

Seems like someone got in there ahead of me! What was the picture of? --Nsayers 11:56, 16 June 2009 (PDT)

It was a banner of some website, including its web address. No big deal, really.. ;-) - Erik Baas 16:42, 16 June 2009 (PDT)

More spam: I blanked User:427 buy clarinex, but maybe it's better to delete it ? - Erik Baas 03:39, 28 June 2009 (PDT)

Idem: User:385 buy naprosyn - Erik Baas 03:44, 28 June 2009 (PDT)

Idem: User:720 buy zyvox - Erik Baas 12:41, 28 June 2009 (PDT)

Thanks for flagging this up, Eric. I've blocked those three users. --Nsayers 14:12, 28 June 2009 (PDT)

Idem: User:560 buy floxin. - Erik Baas 03:19, 6 July 2009 (PDT)

Thanks again. Blocked and deleted. If this happens much more, maybe I should make you an admin, so you can help fight the spam too? --Nsayers 05:14, 6 July 2009 (PDT)

Might be a good idea after all, since the spamming continues: User:912 buy hip joint chews cats and User:370 buy celadrin... - Erik Baas 09:35, 11 July 2009 (PDT)

I cleaned the last few up with my Sysop power! (It sounds like a detergent for mops). How about making Eric Baas an admin or Sysop? Which ever gives him enough power to deal with the spam on his own because I am sure it takes as much effort to delete the contents of pages as deleting the pages. --Marte Kinder 12:52, 11 July 2009 (PDT)

Done! Erik Baas, you are now a sysop! Use your new powers wisely, and may the Force be with you. --Nsayers 14:43, 12 July 2009 (PDT)

Thank you very much ! :-) - Erik Baas 15:07, 12 July 2009 (PDT)

List of rides

Nick, I hope you don't mind my having moved this section's content and the connected section on my talk page to the page's Discussion page, there now integrated, as our discussion is in particular relevant for that single page and may concern its other editors and readers as well.
SomeHuman 2009-01-04 08:12 (GMT)

In case you would have the admin powers to edit modification comments shown for this wiki's History lists, I'm afraid I misspelled your name (with capital S) and it now appears twice in red for my edit of 06:02, 4 January 2010 on the Revision_history of "List_of_rides". Surely you're not gone from this wiki! Sorry about that.
SomeHuman 2009-01-04 09:04 (GMT)

Using a ccs class only from within a single template, causes a double lookup (technically perhaps a bit sloppy) where the template itself can address the main css definitions directly. The inline css also allows differentiation between elements of the text shown from the template.
I tweaked the templates, demonstrating the much richer possibilities of inline css from templates, and now arriving at a point that hopefully satisfies your concerns for the List of rides as well as mine. Note: We should maintain the narrow letter-spacing for the dates part of each template, and the smaller characters for 'Planned' and 'Suggested'. Now, small characters occur also for (Previous ride (s): 13 Jun 2009) these might however become either perhaps (Previous ride (s): 13 Jun 2009) a little less small or even (Previous ride (s): 13 Jun 2009) normal size [for text and/or dates list, the samples here are mere approximations that depend on one's browser]. For templates that hardly ever need updating, intricacy is their reason of existence.
I changed your new text about handling past rides, now showing the * or ** that (should) correspond with the links in the list. I intend to try and get rid of my earlier footnote [1], which I assume may often become a ** (Planned) instead of a remark amongst 'Previous rides'. The plural (s) had looked sloppy but I did reintroduce it in a way that is just a notch better readable (no longer draws one's attention). And I avoided those (nearly always superfluous) for Planned and Suggested rides.
SomeHuman 2009-01-06 09:52-17:33 (GMT)

Hi. Again, I'm impressed by your dedication to editing this wiki. I think we're getting closer to agreement on some of the issues you're trying to resolve on the List of rides page. However, as a professional graphic designer, I take issue with many of the stylistic and content changes you've made:

• CSS classes are far better for the purpose of repeated styling than inline styles, and are less of a drain on resources and bandwidth. The main purpose, it seems, of your styling is to make the brackets smaller around "ride(s)". I think this is superfluous – "rides" will suffice for the majority of ride locations. As this differentiation is difficult to automate with templates, I'd rather sacrifice pedantry for a cleaner-looking page.
• Negative letter spacing cramps words and looks ugly. If anything, smaller text should be slightly more widely spaced to aid legibility. I strongly insist that letter spacing is not used.
• The differentiation of "planned", "suggested" and past unconfirmed rides is superfluous. If a lapsed "future" ride date is unconfirmed, then we just need to point people to the explanation of lapsed ride dates below. We need to get more people involved in updating their city's page, rather than second-guessing the status of rides around the globe ourselves. I'd be much happier for such rides to be simply marked as "Unconfirmed*", with a single asterisk linking to the explanation at the bottom of the page.
• Question marks: I understand your logic because you've explained it to me, but I'd much prefer not to have spaces before question marks as I don't think it's obvious what this means and it goes against standard typographic practice.
• Colouring of Previous rides lists: I coloured these grey so they're less visually cluttering. Thank you for setting up a template for this, but I think its benefit is that they can be styled less obtrusively than the rest of the page. We should primarily be promoting future rides – information on past rides is useful but secondary.

Again, I appreciate your diligence in editing the wiki, and I think we have a similar attention to detail. I think a lot of these issues could be more quickly dealt with if we communicated by phone, instant messaging, Skype, email etc. Email me at mail AT nicksayers DOT com to let me know how we can get in touch by these means. Best wishes, --Nsayers 21:52, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry Nick:

• Euhh... are you serious about css for the list of rides "putting a drain on resources and bandwidth" ? And in the same paragraph "rather sacrifice pedantry" ? I have known a hex keyboard controlled computer of which I could count the number of physical memory bits by the naked eye. Meanwhile, memory and communications capacities and speeds evolved exponentially in a same direction as the size of things I can distinct on sight :-(
  

Anyway, css classes make sense only if called from different places, not if only once from a single template. Your style arguments being what they may be, we should differentiate between text as '(Previous ride[s]:  )', my '(Suggested:  )' and '(Planned:  )' or your '(Lapsed:  )' on one hand, and the [lists of] dates - or at least keep that option open by inline direct css calls from such template.

• Negative letter-spacing is highly questionable for texts, and indeed quite a few graphicists will for a smaller font increase the spacing (relative to the font-size, though the space in points will not, I think). My argument however, is that comma+blank separated dates especially with three-character abbreviated months, fully maintain readability with a decreased letter-spacing. And precisely our series of dates are growing every year... I hope. The word-wrap that can be seen for several locations even on a wide screen, had already got me dreaming about a 'show'/'hide' of each location's series of 'Previous rides', but I think readers wish to compare theirs with other locations quickly.
• I do not want a differentiation of "planned", "suggested" and past unconfirmed rides. Only between the first two: I had stated in bold to get rid of my earlier footnote [1] that had become superfluous! And with my simplifying your explanation from three types towards two with (your great introduction of) * and ** matching the only two lapsed date templates, readers and people involved in updating their city's page alike (and we) will know how to update and when. Do not assume those people to steer clear from 'our' list: it's a wiki. So let's inform them correctly. I wish someone had bothered to do that for a visibly well-kept list when I arrived here for Brussels.
• A blank between questioned item and the question mark may go against "standard typographic practice" only where the item is clearly defined. Questioning an entire date however, is not done by plastering the question mark death smack to the year alone.
• Your remark about the colours bedazzles me: Following your earlier modification, I had set the colours for the two types of lapsed dates to grey and near-grey green, both much lighter than the newly suggested/planned/assumed to repeat/confirmed/ date. Moreover, I had later on brought the dark blue 'Previous rides' towards a light near-grey blue so as to get that next ride date really stick out.
  

Let's think for a while (and perhaps have another good look at the list of rides after reverting to my latest versions of the templates).

SomeHuman 2009-01-07 00:51-01:17 (GMT)