User talk:Marte Kinder - Revision history

Marte Kinder: /* Welcome back ! */

2012-03-07T03:18:52Z

‎Welcome back !

Erik Baas: /* Welcome back ! */ new section

2012-03-07T03:16:17Z

‎Welcome back !: new section

Troy Mars at 21:40, 13 February 2012

2012-02-13T21:40:41Z

SomeHuman: /* External linking */ typo

2010-03-06T09:36:59Z

‎External linking: typo

SomeHuman: /* External linking */ new section

2010-03-06T09:35:35Z

‎External linking: new section

SomeHuman: /* Canberra meeting point */ spelling

2010-03-06T07:57:29Z

‎Canberra meeting point: spelling

SomeHuman: /* Canberra meeting point */ Clarify

2010-03-06T07:55:16Z

‎Canberra meeting point: Clarify

SomeHuman: /* Canberra meeting point */ Boat hire shop? I hadn't been able to read that on the sattelite photograph ;-) but the pier and the lake: yes.

2010-03-06T07:47:59Z

‎Canberra meeting point: Boat hire shop? I hadn't been able to read that on the sattelite photograph ;-) but the pier and the lake: yes.

Marte Kinder: /* Canberra meeting point */reply to Somehuman about Canberra location

2010-03-05T16:35:43Z

‎Canberra meeting point: reply to Somehuman about Canberra location

SomeHuman: /* Canberra meeting point */ ensure readers look at the detailed picture of the meeting place

2010-03-05T09:34:40Z

‎Canberra meeting point: ensure readers look at the detailed picture of the meeting place

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	:-) - [[User:Erik Baas\|Erik Baas]] 19:16, 6 March 2012 (PST)		:-) - [[User:Erik Baas\|Erik Baas]] 19:16, 6 March 2012 (PST)
		+	Thanks Erik. Welcome back to you too.

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	Nice find for Lima's missing ride information. Kind regards,<br/>		Nice find for Lima's missing ride information. Kind regards,<br/>
	[[User:SomeHuman\|SomeHuman]] 2010-03-06 09:35 (GMT)		[[User:SomeHuman\|SomeHuman]] 2010-03-06 09:35 (GMT)
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		+	== Welcome back ! ==
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		+	:-) - [[User:Erik Baas\|Erik Baas]] 19:16, 6 March 2012 (PST)

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		+	== Problems Editing locked pages ==
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		+	I'm working on trying to clear up the 'List of rides' page. I'm trying state on the [[Tampa Bay]] and [[Atlanta]] pages that they've been [http://wiki.worldnakedbikeride.org/index.php?title=Talk:Global_Ride_History#Archive_a_Ride archived], but I can't since they are locked from editing. Can you unlock them for me, or add the [http://wiki.worldnakedbikeride.org/index.php?title=Talk:Global_Ride_History#Archive_a_Ride Archived] message at the top of those pages?
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	==Welcome to the Brussels Wiki pages, Marte==		==Welcome to the Brussels Wiki pages, Marte==
	and many thanks for starting Brussels english translation ! --[[User:Velojef\|Velojef]] 09:09, 23 June 2007 (PDT)		and many thanks for starting Brussels english translation ! --[[User:Velojef\|Velojef]] 09:09, 23 June 2007 (PDT)

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 Hi again,<br/>
-I removed the visually immediately spotted link to the Peruvian organisers' site form the List of rides. One reason is given by the edit comment, but there is another one: in general, it is not best practice to put (especially undue attention drawing) links that facilitate readers to leave one's site before they can be assumed to have taken a good look around. Instead, an inline commen suffices for maintaining the list, and both Lima and Peru obtained a clear and simple [English language] statement allowing to recognize the organisers' site.<br/>
+I removed the visually immediately spotted link to the Peruvian organisers' site form the List of rides. One reason is given by the edit comment, but there is another one: in general, it is not best practice to put (especially undue attention drawing) links that facilitate readers to leave one's site before they can be assumed to have taken a good look around. Instead, an inline comment suffices for maintaining the list, and both Lima and Peru obtained a clear and simple [English language] statement allowing to recognize the organisers' site.<br/>
 We should not encourage local groups to leave this wiki for what it appears worth to them so far, instead try to get their attention for maintaining at least their main page a bit.<br/>
 Nice find for Lima's missing ride information. Kind regards,<br/>
 [[User:SomeHuman|SomeHuman]] 2010-03-06 09:35 (GMT)

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	Surely Marte, my edit [http://wiki.worldnakedbikeride.org/index.php?title=Canberra&diff=17854&oldid=17848 did not remove] anything about a boat hire shop, only about the obviously seen lake with a length close to Canberra's: not very useful to specify a meeting point for the city's ride while from about just as far away, the mentioned major roads bring people to a closer vincinity. Especially unuseful with the lake also at the wrong side of Commonwealth Avenue. Together with an unrelated site mentioning a pier at Kuttabul apparently so as to find some spot, it was the Google Maps satellite view that made me ''suggest'' for local editors to mention it ''for instance'' in case it would be well signposted, it might for instance also be easily seen from the major roads. So I too am all too glad to leave ''decisions'' on the local pages to the local editors and groups - I had in fact, explicitly written that [[Talk:Brussels#Languages layout, and History\|elsewhere at 2010-03-03 01:08-10:36]]. But on a wiki, when appropriate and hopefully not thoughtlessly, one should not refrain from improving things anywhere. That larger input, and visibility, make a wiki offer major advantages compared to local group sites.<br/>		Surely Marte, my edit [http://wiki.worldnakedbikeride.org/index.php?title=Canberra&diff=17854&oldid=17848 did not remove] anything about a boat hire shop, only about the obviously seen lake with a length close to Canberra's: not very useful to specify a meeting point for the city's ride while from about just as far away, the mentioned major roads bring people to a closer vincinity. Especially unuseful with the lake also at the wrong side of Commonwealth Avenue. Together with an unrelated site mentioning a pier at Kuttabul apparently so as to find some spot, it was the Google Maps satellite view that made me ''suggest'' for local editors to mention it ''for instance'' in case it would be well signposted, it might for instance also be easily seen from the major roads. So I too am all too glad to leave ''decisions'' on the local pages to the local editors and groups - I had in fact, explicitly written that [[Talk:Brussels#Languages layout, and History\|elsewhere at 2010-03-03 01:08-10:36]]. But on a wiki, when appropriate and hopefully not thoughtlessly, one should not refrain from improving things anywhere. That larger input, and visibility, make a wiki offer major advantages compared to local group sites.<br/>
	[[User:SomeHuman\|SomeHuman]] 2010-03-06 07:47-07:54 (GMT)		[[User:SomeHuman\|SomeHuman]] 2010-03-06 07:47-07:54 (GMT)
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		+	== External linking ==
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		+	Hi again,<br/>
		+	I removed the visually immediately spotted link to the Peruvian organisers' site form the List of rides. One reason is given by the edit comment, but there is another one: in general, it is not best practice to put (especially undue attention drawing) links that facilitate readers to leave one's site before they can be assumed to have taken a good look around. Instead, an inline commen suffices for maintaining the list, and both Lima and Peru obtained a clear and simple [English language] statement allowing to recognize the organisers' site.<br/>
		+	We should not encourage local groups to leave this wiki for what it appears worth to them so far, instead try to get their attention for maintaining at least their main page a bit.<br/>
		+	Nice find for Lima's missing ride information. Kind regards,<br/>
		+	[[User:SomeHuman\|SomeHuman]] 2010-03-06 09:35 (GMT)

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-Surely Marte, my edit [http://wiki.worldnakedbikeride.org/index.php?title=Canberra&diff=17854&oldid=17848 did not remove] anything about a boat hire shop, only about the obviously seen lake with a length close to Canberra's: not very useful to specify a meeting point for the city's ride while from about just as far away, the mentioned major roads bring people to a closer vincinity. Especially unuseful with the lake also at the wrong side of Commonwealth Avenue. Together with an unrelated site mentioning a pier at Kuttabul apparently so as to find some spot, it was the Google Maps sattelite view that made me ''suggest'' for local editors to mention it ''for instance'' in case it would be well signposted, it might for instance also be easily seen from the major roads. So I too am all too glad to leave ''decisions'' on the local pages to the local editors and groups - I had in fact, explicitly written that [[Talk:Brussels#Languages layout, and History|elsewhere at 2010-03-03 01:08-10:36]]. But on a wiki, when appropriate and hopefully not thoughtlessly, one should not refrain from improving things anywhere. That larger input, and visibility, make a wiki offer major advantages compared to local group sites.<br/>
+Surely Marte, my edit [http://wiki.worldnakedbikeride.org/index.php?title=Canberra&diff=17854&oldid=17848 did not remove] anything about a boat hire shop, only about the obviously seen lake with a length close to Canberra's: not very useful to specify a meeting point for the city's ride while from about just as far away, the mentioned major roads bring people to a closer vincinity. Especially unuseful with the lake also at the wrong side of Commonwealth Avenue. Together with an unrelated site mentioning a pier at Kuttabul apparently so as to find some spot, it was the Google Maps satellite view that made me ''suggest'' for local editors to mention it ''for instance'' in case it would be well signposted, it might for instance also be easily seen from the major roads. So I too am all too glad to leave ''decisions'' on the local pages to the local editors and groups - I had in fact, explicitly written that [[Talk:Brussels#Languages layout, and History|elsewhere at 2010-03-03 01:08-10:36]]. But on a wiki, when appropriate and hopefully not thoughtlessly, one should not refrain from improving things anywhere. That larger input, and visibility, make a wiki offer major advantages compared to local group sites.<br/>
 [[User:SomeHuman|SomeHuman]] 2010-03-06 07:47-07:54 (GMT)

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	I first put "or" because I thought that two seperate places were mentioned and then when I was told by email and on facebook by the [[Canberra]] Organisers that they were different descriptions for the same place, I put "AKA". You have described the assembly place correctly now. That description is consistent with the poster and the route map. Your link to the Google satellite map looked good so I added a link to it and mentioned that the route map has a red marker. I enlarged the thumbnail of the route map so the red marker is visable in the thumbnail. The [[Canberra]] Organisers are happy to do their own wiki edits so I am keen to let them have the space to do that. If they want to mention the lake or the boat hire shop as landmarks that seems reasonable to me. The lake is Lake Burley Griffin and it is obvious in the route map and satellite map. The boat hire shop can be seen in the satellite map too.<br>		I first put "or" because I thought that two seperate places were mentioned and then when I was told by email and on facebook by the [[Canberra]] Organisers that they were different descriptions for the same place, I put "AKA". You have described the assembly place correctly now. That description is consistent with the poster and the route map. Your link to the Google satellite map looked good so I added a link to it and mentioned that the route map has a red marker. I enlarged the thumbnail of the route map so the red marker is visable in the thumbnail. The [[Canberra]] Organisers are happy to do their own wiki edits so I am keen to let them have the space to do that. If they want to mention the lake or the boat hire shop as landmarks that seems reasonable to me. The lake is Lake Burley Griffin and it is obvious in the route map and satellite map. The boat hire shop can be seen in the satellite map too.<br>
	--[[User:Marte Kinder\|Marte Kinder]] 16:35, 5 March 2010 (UTC)		--[[User:Marte Kinder\|Marte Kinder]] 16:35, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
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		+	Surely Marte, my edit [http://wiki.worldnakedbikeride.org/index.php?title=Canberra&diff=17854&oldid=17848 did not remove] anything about a boat hire shop, only about the obviously seen lake with a length close to Canberra's: not very useful to specify a meeting point for the city's ride while from about just as far away, the mentioned major roads bring people to a closer vincinity. Together with an unrelated site mentioning a pier at Kuttabul apparently so as to find some spot, it was the Google Maps sattelite view that made me ''suggest'' for local editors to mention it ''for instance'' in case it would be well signposted, it might for instance also be easily seen from the major roads. So I too am all too glad to leave ''decisions'' on the local pages to the local editors and groups - I had in fact, explicitly written that [[Talk:Brussels#Languages layout, and History\|elsewhere at 2010-03-03 01:08-10:36]]. But on a wiki, when appropriate and hopefully not thoughtlessly, one should not refrain from improving things anywhere. That larger input, and visibility, make a wiki offer major advantages compared to local group sites.<br/>
		+	[[User:SomeHuman\|SomeHuman]] 2010-03-06 07:47 (GMT)

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	Phrases on a wiki tend to be more often ambiguous or simply slightly mistaken than one realizes. Your interpretation of "or" made you change it into "AKA", apparently bringing it even further from a proper interpretation. Unless I just made things worse than ever: Google Maps has been known to unofficially or inaccurately place streetnames. A local's information might be valuable, e.g. in case the pier would be signposted from farther away or more clearly than nearby carpark signs.<br/>		Phrases on a wiki tend to be more often ambiguous or simply slightly mistaken than one realizes. Your interpretation of "or" made you change it into "AKA", apparently bringing it even further from a proper interpretation. Unless I just made things worse than ever: Google Maps has been known to unofficially or inaccurately place streetnames. A local's information might be valuable, e.g. in case the pier would be signposted from farther away or more clearly than nearby carpark signs.<br/>
	[[User:SomeHuman\|SomeHuman]] 2010-03-05 08:51 (GMT)		[[User:SomeHuman\|SomeHuman]] 2010-03-05 08:51 (GMT)
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		+	Hi [[User:SomeHuman\|SomeHuman]],<br>
		+	I first put "or" because I thought that two seperate places were mentioned and then when I was told by email and on facebook by the [[Canberra]] Organisers that they were different descriptions for the same place, I put "AKA". You have described the assembly place correctly now. That description is consistent with the poster and the route map. Your link to the Google satellite map looked good so I added a link to it and mentioned that the route map has a red marker. I enlarged the thumbnail of the route map so the red marker is visable in the thumbnail. The [[Canberra]] Organisers are happy to do their own wiki edits so I am keen to let them have the space to do that. If they want to mention the lake or the boat hire shop as landmarks that seems reasonable to me. The lake is Lake Burley Griffin and it is obvious in the route map and satellite map. The boat hire shop can be seen in the satellite map too.<br>
		+	--[[User:Marte Kinder\|Marte Kinder]] 16:35, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

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 My attention was drawn to the location mainly by a few [[User_talk:Wnbr.canberra|huge image files]] that became uploaded by [[User:Wnbr.canberra]].<br/> A far more reasonable size upload shows a [[:File:V3map.jpg|route map]] that puts the starting point near the junction of [http://www.actpla.act.gov.au/tools_resources/maps_land_survey/place_names/place_search?sq_content_src=%2BdXJsPWh0dHAlM0ElMkYlMkZ3d3cuYWN0bWFwaS5hY3QuZ292LmF1JTJGUGxhY2VOYW1lcyUyRlBsYWNlRGV0YWlscy5hc3B4JTNGb2JqZWN0SUQlM0Q1NTcyJmFsbD0x Parkes Way] and Commonwealth Ave.
-If I'd be in the neighbourhood (unlikely), I would like to join the group that might be at a point often ''near'' but maybe ''never coinciding'' with my continuously changing location: In despair, I might miss the start. Or even won't take that risk and decide to stay away. Let's have [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&ll=-35.286265,149.125875&spn=0.001861,0.005284&t=h&z=18 Google Maps]. I now described the meeting point as "The Kuttabul Place carpark (at the end of Barrine Drive), immediately SW of the Commonwealth Avenue and Parkes Way junction". I dropped the reference to the relatively large lake that could disorientate rather than precisise: the avenue and Parkes Way are [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&t=h&ie=UTF8&ll=-35.286265,149.125843&spn=0.014888,0.042272&z=15 good larger scale references] and their junction is much more accurate.
+If I'd be in the neighbourhood (unlikely), I would like to join the group that might be at a point often ''near'' but maybe ''never coinciding'' with my continuously changing location: In despair, I might miss the start. Or even won't take that risk and decide to stay away. Let's have [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&ll=-35.286265,149.125875&spn=0.001861,0.005284&t=h&z=18 the spot on Google Maps] in here. I now described the meeting point as "The Kuttabul Place carpark (at the end of Barrine Drive), immediately SW of the Commonwealth Avenue and Parkes Way junction". I dropped the reference to the relatively large lake that could disorientate rather than precisise: the avenue and Parkes Way are [http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&t=h&ie=UTF8&ll=-35.286265,149.125843&spn=0.014888,0.042272&z=15 good larger scale references] and their junction is much more accurate.
 Phrases on a wiki tend to be more often ambiguous or simply slightly mistaken than one realizes. Your interpretation of "or" made you change it into "AKA", apparently bringing it even further from a proper interpretation. Unless I just made things worse than ever: Google Maps has been known to unofficially or inaccurately place streetnames. A local's information might be valuable, e.g. in case the pier would be signposted from farther away or more clearly than nearby carpark signs.<br/>
 [[User:SomeHuman|SomeHuman]] 2010-03-05 08:51 (GMT)