Talk:Saint Louis - Revision history

Bearcyclist at 07:07, 12 June 2011

2011-06-12T07:07:58Z

Bearcyclist at 02:26, 31 May 2011

2011-05-31T02:26:49Z

Photo212grapher at 20:46, 14 May 2011

2011-05-14T20:46:55Z

Photo212grapher: thanks to Stephanie and misses to Mariah

2010-06-20T13:18:55Z

thanks to Stephanie and misses to Mariah

Photo212grapher: rephrased my comment

2009-08-16T20:45:50Z

rephrased my comment

Photo212grapher: route changing too much

2009-08-14T22:54:08Z

route changing too much

Photo212grapher: a reply to an amazing lack of respect and misinformation

2008-08-12T00:40:46Z

a reply to an amazing lack of respect and misinformation

Nsayers at 12:52, 11 August 2008

2008-08-11T12:52:58Z

Photo212grapher: media versus photos

2008-08-11T12:17:53Z

media versus photos

Photo212grapher at 22:34, 3 August 2008

2008-08-03T22:34:14Z

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		+	WOW! Hundreds of folks riding this year. I do believe the most we've ever seen.
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	=2011 Route=		=2011 Route=
	Looks like you need to take 4th north, since Broadway appears to be one-way south through downtown.		Looks like you need to take 4th north, since Broadway appears to be one-way south through downtown.

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		+	Looks like you need to take 4th north, since Broadway appears to be one-way south through downtown.
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	==Personal Thanks==		==Personal Thanks==
	thank-you Stephanie! What a shame that your "partner in crime" Mariah was out of the country for this year's ride. We missed seeing her beautiful smiling face. Still what a great event! My unofficial estimate was close to 500 in the parking lot and the majority being riders. The freedom spirit lives on, because of the tireless efforts on your part to coordinate such a wonderful event. Well done lovely lady! cheers. --[[User:Photographer\|Photographer]] 13:18, 20 June 2010 (UTC)		thank-you Stephanie! What a shame that your "partner in crime" Mariah was out of the country for this year's ride. We missed seeing her beautiful smiling face. Still what a great event! My unofficial estimate was close to 500 in the parking lot and the majority being riders. The freedom spirit lives on, because of the tireless efforts on your part to coordinate such a wonderful event. Well done lovely lady! cheers. --[[User:Photographer\|Photographer]] 13:18, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

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 ==Personal Thanks==
-thank-you Stephanie! What a shame that your "partner in crime" Mariah was out of the country for this year's ride. We missed seeing her beautiful smiling face. Still what a great event! My unofficial estimate was close to 500 in the parking lot and the majority being riders. The freedom spirit lives on, because of the tireless efforts on your part to coordinate such a wonderful event. Well done lovely lady! cheers. --[[User:Photo212grapher|Photo212grapher]] 13:18, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
+thank-you Stephanie! What a shame that your "partner in crime" Mariah was out of the country for this year's ride. We missed seeing her beautiful smiling face. Still what a great event! My unofficial estimate was close to 500 in the parking lot and the majority being riders. The freedom spirit lives on, because of the tireless efforts on your part to coordinate such a wonderful event. Well done lovely lady! cheers. --[[User:Photographer|Photographer]] 13:18, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 ==Route Planning==
-Change is inevitable, but come on! If you keep changing the route, you will have people in the wrong places, and folks going the wrong way. Not everyone will be able to visit this Wiki entry before heading to the ride. Consider the folks coming from out-of-town. They print the route and map, and then never have a chance to check again. If there is a ''good'' reason for the change, then that ought to be explained. Please let people know what is going on. If someone planned to join the ride as the bikers passed their home, they may be left waiting because the ride no longer comes close to them. PLEASE! Set the route and leave it alone unless absolutely required to change it. PLEASE! Part of any demonstration is to demonstrate you are organized to the policy-makers. No one fears unorganized protesters in making much of any long lasting change. Organized protesters command the respect, because decision-makers know the protesters are not going away any time soon. --[[User:Photo212grapher|Photo212grapher]] 15:54, 14 August 2009 (PDT)
+Change is inevitable, but come on! If you keep changing the route, you will have people in the wrong places, and folks going the wrong way. Not everyone will be able to visit this Wiki entry before heading to the ride. Consider the folks coming from out-of-town. They print the route and map, and then never have a chance to check again. If there is a ''good'' reason for the change, then that ought to be explained. Please let people know what is going on. If someone planned to join the ride as the bikers passed their home, they may be left waiting because the ride no longer comes close to them. PLEASE! Set the route and leave it alone unless absolutely required to change it. PLEASE! Part of any demonstration is to demonstrate you are organized to the policy-makers. No one fears unorganized protesters in making much of any long lasting change. Organized protesters command the respect, because decision-makers know the protesters are not going away any time soon. --[[User:Photographer|Photographer]] 15:54, 14 August 2009 (PDT)
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 I can understand why 90% of the other pages are devoid of images, but rather links to Flcker and other sharing sites. The entire idea of WNBR is respect. It is unfortunate some lack it. You can modify the entries. You can add images and galleries that others thought best not to do. You can even make a hundred new entries taking the reader in an endless circle. But deleting pages someone wanted and then editing their comments that lead to those pages is rather adolescent and completely disrespectful.
-Anyone wishing to add images needs to be forewarned. And let's all thank [[User:Nsayers]] for making the [[Saint Louis]] page Not Safe for Work (NSWF). --[[User:Photo212grapher|Photo212grapher]] 15:31, 3 August 2008 (PDT)
+Anyone wishing to add images needs to be forewarned. And let's all thank [[User:Nsayers]] for making the [[Saint Louis]] page Not Safe for Work (NSWF). --[[User:Photographer|Photographer]] 15:31, 3 August 2008 (PDT)
 ==Media versus photos==
-I do not agree with moving the Voyeurweb links to the Photo section from the Media section. The media section also contain photos or video. Voyeurweb will be displaying those photos for a month, then they are removed. This is much like the news reports being archived. People submitting those photos are non-traditional correspondents to a non-traditional documentary site. These Voyeurweb pages are different from a photo album page. --[[User:Photo212grapher|Photo212grapher]] 05:17, 11 August 2008 (PDT)
+I do not agree with moving the Voyeurweb links to the Photo section from the Media section. The media section also contain photos or video. Voyeurweb will be displaying those photos for a month, then they are removed. This is much like the news reports being archived. People submitting those photos are non-traditional correspondents to a non-traditional documentary site. These Voyeurweb pages are different from a photo album page. --[[User:Photographer|Photographer]] 05:17, 11 August 2008 (PDT)
 ==Personal attacks, voyeur porn links==
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 Erm, I'm not sure who's being "adolescent and disrespectful" here. I responded to your criticisms promptly by adding a separate photos page again. I haven't resorted to snide personal attacks. As for Yoyeurweb, I think it's questionable to add links to dodgy voyeur porn sites. Non-participatory voyeurs are unfortunately going to be present at most WNBRs, but that doesn't mean we should give them extra publicity. Elsewhere on the wiki these links have been removed by other admins, although I'm unsure of this policy. – [[User:Nsayers|Nsayers]] 05:52, 11 August 2008 (PDT)
-You do well in cleaning your tracks after being called on it. The shame is you still have no clue what you did. the entire media is a "non-participatory voyeur" and you are calling the media you want to attract UNFORTUNATE? Learn what is going on before posting dribble. As far as Voyeurweb links go, this protest wants to generate publicity. Voyeurweb has over 4 million viewers. Getting the message out to them is a good thing. Calling them a "dodgy voyeur porn site" is arrogant. They promote the same body freedom that the WNBR promotes. While a few of their images are without consent, the vast majority of the images are submitted by people with healthy self body attitudes. You are criticizing what you do not know. Not the right attitude, but you have shown yourself to act first, think later. Admins remove those links when the photos are pulled in a months time. Try to pay attention and read what others have written. Anything else you wish to be educated on here? --[[User:Photo212grapher|Photo212grapher]] 17:40, 11 August 2008 (PDT)
+You do well in cleaning your tracks after being called on it. The shame is you still have no clue what you did. the entire media is a "non-participatory voyeur" and you are calling the media you want to attract UNFORTUNATE? Learn what is going on before posting dribble. As far as Voyeurweb links go, this protest wants to generate publicity. Voyeurweb has over 4 million viewers. Getting the message out to them is a good thing. Calling them a "dodgy voyeur porn site" is arrogant. They promote the same body freedom that the WNBR promotes. While a few of their images are without consent, the vast majority of the images are submitted by people with healthy self body attitudes. You are criticizing what you do not know. Not the right attitude, but you have shown yourself to act first, think later. Admins remove those links when the photos are pulled in a months time. Try to pay attention and read what others have written. Anything else you wish to be educated on here? --[[User:Photographer|Photographer]] 17:40, 11 August 2008 (PDT)

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		+	==Personal Thanks==
		+	thank-you Stephanie! What a shame that your "partner in crime" Mariah was out of the country for this year's ride. We missed seeing her beautiful smiling face. Still what a great event! My unofficial estimate was close to 500 in the parking lot and the majority being riders. The freedom spirit lives on, because of the tireless efforts on your part to coordinate such a wonderful event. Well done lovely lady! cheers. --[[User:Photo212grapher\|Photo212grapher]] 13:18, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
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	==Route Planning==		==Route Planning==
	Change is inevitable, but come on! If you keep changing the route, you will have people in the wrong places, and folks going the wrong way. Not everyone will be able to visit this Wiki entry before heading to the ride. Consider the folks coming from out-of-town. They print the route and map, and then never have a chance to check again. If there is a ''good'' reason for the change, then that ought to be explained. Please let people know what is going on. If someone planned to join the ride as the bikers passed their home, they may be left waiting because the ride no longer comes close to them. PLEASE! Set the route and leave it alone unless absolutely required to change it. PLEASE! Part of any demonstration is to demonstrate you are organized to the policy-makers. No one fears unorganized protesters in making much of any long lasting change. Organized protesters command the respect, because decision-makers know the protesters are not going away any time soon. --[[User:Photo212grapher\|Photo212grapher]] 15:54, 14 August 2009 (PDT)		Change is inevitable, but come on! If you keep changing the route, you will have people in the wrong places, and folks going the wrong way. Not everyone will be able to visit this Wiki entry before heading to the ride. Consider the folks coming from out-of-town. They print the route and map, and then never have a chance to check again. If there is a ''good'' reason for the change, then that ought to be explained. Please let people know what is going on. If someone planned to join the ride as the bikers passed their home, they may be left waiting because the ride no longer comes close to them. PLEASE! Set the route and leave it alone unless absolutely required to change it. PLEASE! Part of any demonstration is to demonstrate you are organized to the policy-makers. No one fears unorganized protesters in making much of any long lasting change. Organized protesters command the respect, because decision-makers know the protesters are not going away any time soon. --[[User:Photo212grapher\|Photo212grapher]] 15:54, 14 August 2009 (PDT)

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	==Route Planning==		==Route Planning==
−	Change is inevitable, but come on! If you keep changing the route, you will have people in the wrong places, and folks going the wrong way. Not everyone will be able to visit this Wiki entry before heading to the ride. Consider the folks coming from out-of-town. They print the route and map, and then never have a chance to check again. If there is a ''good'' reason for the change, then ~~explain it here~~. ~~Let~~ people know what is going on~~. Alley cats have better organizing skills. Last year, the meeting/starting place was changed within 24 hours of the ride. Many were confused, and some missed the ride because of it~~. If someone planned to join the ride as the bikers passed their home, they may left waiting because the ride no longer comes close to them. PLEASE! Set the route and leave it alone unless absolutely required to change it. PLEASE! ~~I can keep updating the Google Map, no problem, but how many people will have seen the latest? If you want the message~~ of ~~the ride~~ to ~~be, "We do not know what we~~ are ~~doing" keep~~ making ~~apparent arbitrary changes~~. ~~If you wish to be taken seriously as a political demonstration, please get your act together. The day before~~ the ~~ride~~, the ~~route has been completely changed. This is~~ not ~~good for anyone~~. --[[User:Photo212grapher\|Photo212grapher]] 15:54, 14 August 2009 (PDT)	+	Change is inevitable, but come on! If you keep changing the route, you will have people in the wrong places, and folks going the wrong way. Not everyone will be able to visit this Wiki entry before heading to the ride. Consider the folks coming from out-of-town. They print the route and map, and then never have a chance to check again. If there is a ''good'' reason for the change, then that ought to be explained. Please let people know what is going on. If someone planned to join the ride as the bikers passed their home, they may be left waiting because the ride no longer comes close to them. PLEASE! Set the route and leave it alone unless absolutely required to change it. PLEASE! Part of any demonstration is to demonstrate you are organized to the policy-makers. No one fears unorganized protesters in making much of any long lasting change. Organized protesters command the respect, because decision-makers know the protesters are not going away any time soon. --[[User:Photo212grapher\|Photo212grapher]] 15:54, 14 August 2009 (PDT)

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		+	==Route Planning==
		+	Change is inevitable, but come on! If you keep changing the route, you will have people in the wrong places, and folks going the wrong way. Not everyone will be able to visit this Wiki entry before heading to the ride. Consider the folks coming from out-of-town. They print the route and map, and then never have a chance to check again. If there is a ''good'' reason for the change, then explain it here. Let people know what is going on. Alley cats have better organizing skills. Last year, the meeting/starting place was changed within 24 hours of the ride. Many were confused, and some missed the ride because of it. If someone planned to join the ride as the bikers passed their home, they may left waiting because the ride no longer comes close to them. PLEASE! Set the route and leave it alone unless absolutely required to change it. PLEASE! I can keep updating the Google Map, no problem, but how many people will have seen the latest? If you want the message of the ride to be, "We do not know what we are doing" keep making apparent arbitrary changes. If you wish to be taken seriously as a political demonstration, please get your act together. The day before the ride, the route has been completely changed. This is not good for anyone. --[[User:Photo212grapher\|Photo212grapher]] 15:54, 14 August 2009 (PDT)
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	==Feedback 1==		==Feedback 1==

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	Erm, I'm not sure who's being "adolescent and disrespectful" here. I responded to your criticisms promptly by adding a separate photos page again. I haven't resorted to snide personal attacks. As for Yoyeurweb, I think it's questionable to add links to dodgy voyeur porn sites. Non-participatory voyeurs are unfortunately going to be present at most WNBRs, but that doesn't mean we should give them extra publicity. Elsewhere on the wiki these links have been removed by other admins, although I'm unsure of this policy. – [[User:Nsayers\|Nsayers]] 05:52, 11 August 2008 (PDT)		Erm, I'm not sure who's being "adolescent and disrespectful" here. I responded to your criticisms promptly by adding a separate photos page again. I haven't resorted to snide personal attacks. As for Yoyeurweb, I think it's questionable to add links to dodgy voyeur porn sites. Non-participatory voyeurs are unfortunately going to be present at most WNBRs, but that doesn't mean we should give them extra publicity. Elsewhere on the wiki these links have been removed by other admins, although I'm unsure of this policy. – [[User:Nsayers\|Nsayers]] 05:52, 11 August 2008 (PDT)
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		+	You do well in cleaning your tracks after being called on it. The shame is you still have no clue what you did. the entire media is a "non-participatory voyeur" and you are calling the media you want to attract UNFORTUNATE? Learn what is going on before posting dribble. As far as Voyeurweb links go, this protest wants to generate publicity. Voyeurweb has over 4 million viewers. Getting the message out to them is a good thing. Calling them a "dodgy voyeur porn site" is arrogant. They promote the same body freedom that the WNBR promotes. While a few of their images are without consent, the vast majority of the images are submitted by people with healthy self body attitudes. You are criticizing what you do not know. Not the right attitude, but you have shown yourself to act first, think later. Admins remove those links when the photos are pulled in a months time. Try to pay attention and read what others have written. Anything else you wish to be educated on here? --[[User:Photo212grapher\|Photo212grapher]] 17:40, 11 August 2008 (PDT)

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-The St. Louis world naked bike ride was awesome it was well worth can't wait to do it again
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 Great event, but switching the starting location right before the event was a huge problem. I drove around in circles trying to find the place - clearly, it was no longer at the Pool Pavilion, and no signs stating otherwise. Think about it - for a event all about ending oil dependency, having people driving around defeats the purpose!
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 Anyone wishing to add images needs to be forewarned. And let's all thank [[User:Nsayers]] for making the [[Saint Louis]] page Not Safe for Work (NSWF). --[[User:Photo212grapher|Photo212grapher]] 15:31, 3 August 2008 (PDT)
 I do not agree with moving the Voyeurweb links to the Photo section from the Media section. The media section also contain photos or video. Voyeurweb will be displaying those photos for a month, then they are removed. This is much like the news reports being archived. People submitting those photos are non-traditional correspondents to a non-traditional documentary site. These Voyeurweb pages are different from a photo album page. --[[User:Photo212grapher|Photo212grapher]] 05:17, 11 August 2008 (PDT)

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	Anyone wishing to add images needs to be forewarned. And let's all thank [[User:Nsayers]] for making the [[Saint Louis]] page Not Safe for Work (NSWF). --[[User:Photo212grapher\|Photo212grapher]] 15:31, 3 August 2008 (PDT)		Anyone wishing to add images needs to be forewarned. And let's all thank [[User:Nsayers]] for making the [[Saint Louis]] page Not Safe for Work (NSWF). --[[User:Photo212grapher\|Photo212grapher]] 15:31, 3 August 2008 (PDT)
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		+	I do not agree with moving the Voyeurweb links to the Photo section from the Media section. The media section also contain photos or video. Voyeurweb will be displaying those photos for a month, then they are removed. This is much like the news reports being archived. People submitting those photos are non-traditional correspondents to a non-traditional documentary site. These Voyeurweb pages are different from a photo album page. --[[User:Photo212grapher\|Photo212grapher]] 05:17, 11 August 2008 (PDT)

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	I can understand why 90% of the other pages are devoid of images, but rather links to Flcker and other sharing sites. The entire idea of WNBR is respect. It is unfortunate some lack it. You can modify the entries. You can add images and galleries that others thought best not to do. You can even make a hundred new entries taking the reader in an endless circle. But deleting pages someone wanted and then editing their comments that lead to those pages is rather adolescent and completely disrespectful.		I can understand why 90% of the other pages are devoid of images, but rather links to Flcker and other sharing sites. The entire idea of WNBR is respect. It is unfortunate some lack it. You can modify the entries. You can add images and galleries that others thought best not to do. You can even make a hundred new entries taking the reader in an endless circle. But deleting pages someone wanted and then editing their comments that lead to those pages is rather adolescent and completely disrespectful.

−	Anyone wishing to add images needs to be forewarned. --[[User:Photo212grapher\|Photo212grapher]] 15:31, 3 August 2008 (PDT)	+	Anyone wishing to add images needs to be forewarned. And let's all thank [[User:Nsayers]] for making the [[Saint Louis]] page Not Safe for Work (NSWF). --[[User:Photo212grapher\|Photo212grapher]] 15:31, 3 August 2008 (PDT)